Tuesday 29 September 2009

[ F K ] Re : Zaid Hamid: Uncensored on Blackwater September 27, 2009




salam

i read today's news paper and i was surprised that 200 houses were rented by US citizens in the elite areas on Islamabad, and our govt is entirely supporting the activities of US govt. its a matter of our patriotism for us that govt is helpful in creating the US military base in Islamabad which is adjacent to our NECULAR PLANT. we need to think why americans are expending their embassy in Islamabad, according to them Pakistan is not a safe country for US citizens and in the mean while they a re creating a US city Islamabad. Surprisingly no media channel is highlighting this issue. Islamabad police also raid a company which provide security for US embassy and found massive level of emanation which is illegal and without any armed license.
these are the supporting activities to capture our nuclear plan, will u Pakistanis bear this thing???
it time to wakeup our nation. we need to protest on individual level and massive level.
plz do all things which can discourage the Govt to support US embassy expansion program


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> Zaid Hamid: Uncensored Blackwater on Waqt News Part 1
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> Zaid Hamid: Uncensored Blackwater on Waqt News Part 2
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Friday 25 September 2009

Fw: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)



Chill out dudes!

Religion is a good thing, and it came to the world in order to improve the lives of people of the world, so see it as mercy of Allah to the world, and don't use it to abuse people who do not follow your Religion, only way we can eradicate poverty from world is by creating interest free economies and increased charities, the lives of people can only improve when the people in the world will realize that there are few people who are getting richer and richer and a vast majority of people are getting poorer and poorer.

I am afraid of the day when these poor people will slit the throats of those rich people who are trying to suck the juices of the bones of these people.

As a Muslim, my duty is to pay Charity and Zakat regularly to the poor so that they don't feel deprived and they also enjoy the life they did not chose to live, and they wont choose to to get rid of.

My religion also teach me that i should respect the dignity of other people and love humanity as a whole.

As far as Jihad is concerned, Jihad is a process of defending ones Idealogy, our Idealogy is Islam, and we are all soldiers to defend it, and beleive me its not all about killing, most of the times its about living and giving new life to people of the world.

So love humanity and teach them politly and gentelly to live like humans, and humans are not animals, so dont treat each other as ones.

--- On Fri, 25/9/09, suri <insuri@in.com> wrote:

From: suri <insuri@in.com>
Subject: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)
To: fun_karachi@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 2:30 PM

 




From: suri <insuri@in.com>
To: shahzadashrafi@ yahoo.com
Cc: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)


Hello
Mohammad Shahzad Ashrafi & Pravin

What has gone wrong with you and Pravin. Lets stop using the name of Religion + Country and Men of great honour to satisfy our frustrated souls and animal instincts.

Does it mean to say that you both would enjoy if children other then your own country's beg and suffer !! What kind of human beings are you and what difference does it make if you Pray to Allah or Krishna or who ever, if you cannot know what is right and what is wrong.

Where the hell did India, Pakisthan, Israel come into picture. All that Bilal sent was to see that some poor kids are suffering. His idea was very genuine and Pravin gave a different dimension to this and now you are adding fuel to the fire.

Tell me frankly, what is the point in Jihad, when your backyard is burning, Why do you have to fight for a temple when your kids are begging on streets, when you are not able to save your womenf olk from terrosists and the filthy politicians in both the countries.

Who the FUCK is your enemy (this is for both you and Pravin) ..

Are those bastards who rape your women not your enemines ?
Are those bastards who in the name of relegion kill women and children not your enemies ?
Are those bastards who abuse their daughter-in- laws for not brininging dowry not your enemies ?
Are those bastards who dont take care of their aged parents not your enemies ?

You all have the courage to talk all this shit because you very well know that you will not meet each other. If you have the guts and nuts, you and Pravin meet at the India - Pakisthan border and kill each other. Then you will be a true Hindu and a true Muslim.

You are all one hell a lot of Fanatics.

Lets get out of all this and look at a better world.


Hope not see such cheap mails in future.


In the Name of Allah and Kirshna

A Human Being










From:
muhammad shahzad <shahzadashrafi@ yahoo.com>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>; ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:01:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

here, i would like to chip in something that yes we Do Teach our children to Perform JIHAD what is more like an obligation for us and its because our Neighbour like India will keep increasing its Army budget and keep asking Israel to help them in such filthy process. Each one of our kid is a Jihadi Alhumdulilah and we will fight our enemy on each platform no matter thats education, journalism or something else.. besides its not worth talking to ppl like you who cant understand a normal, positive criticisim.. ..

Homo Losers...

Wassalam

Mohammad Shahzad Ashrafi



From: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
To: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 15:33:20
Subject: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

Shame on you for bringing india pakistan issue in this. It has nothing to do with india pakistan .It will be sick to post something like that just to make fun of india. The situation, socially and morally, in Pakistan is as bad. It is just a report that I came across while youtubing. Even if it was about Pakistan or any other country, I would have posted. Pointing fingers on other nations problem, wont do any good for your country. If there is something wrong going on, atleast people shoud be aware, otherwise it will be like that forever. I have seen all the comments on this video and no one politicized it. So please think positively, we are not here to fight. Thank You :)... Peace
Regards,
Bilal Iqbal


From: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:52:25 AM
Subject: Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

indians are teaching their children to beg...but what pakistanies trying to teach thier children? terrorism? ( ask al jazzira for report)



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Subject: [ F K ] Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)
To: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 2:58 PM




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[ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)






From: suri <insuri@in.com>
To: shahzadashrafi@yahoo.com
Cc: fun_karachi@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)


Hello
Mohammad Shahzad Ashrafi & Pravin

What has gone wrong with you and Pravin. Lets stop using the name of Religion + Country and Men of great honour to satisfy our frustrated souls and animal instincts.

Does it mean to say that you both would enjoy if children other then your own country's beg and suffer !! What kind of human beings are you and what difference does it make if you Pray to Allah or Krishna or who ever, if you cannot know what is right and what is wrong.

Where the hell did India, Pakisthan, Israel come into picture. All that Bilal sent was to see that some poor kids are suffering. His idea was very genuine and Pravin gave a different dimension to this and now you are adding fuel to the fire.

Tell me frankly, what is the point in Jihad, when your backyard is burning, Why do you have to fight for a temple when your kids are begging on streets, when you are not able to save your womenf olk from terrosists and the filthy politicians in both the countries.

Who the FUCK is your enemy (this is for both you and Pravin) ..

Are those bastards who rape your women not your enemines ?
Are those bastards who in the name of relegion kill women and children not your enemies ?
Are those bastards who abuse their daughter-in-laws for not brininging dowry not your enemies ?
Are those bastards who dont take care of their aged parents not your enemies ?

You all have the courage to talk all this shit because you very well know that you will not meet each other. If you have the guts and nuts, you and Pravin meet at the India - Pakisthan border and kill each other. Then you will be a true Hindu and a true Muslim.

You are all one hell a lot of Fanatics.

Lets get out of all this and look at a better world.


Hope not see such cheap mails in future.


In the Name of Allah and Kirshna

A Human Being










From:
muhammad shahzad <shahzadashrafi@ yahoo.com>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>; ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:01:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

here, i would like to chip in something that yes we Do Teach our children to Perform JIHAD what is more like an obligation for us and its because our Neighbour like India will keep increasing its Army budget and keep asking Israel to help them in such filthy process. Each one of our kid is a Jihadi Alhumdulilah and we will fight our enemy on each platform no matter thats education, journalism or something else.. besides its not worth talking to ppl like you who cant understand a normal, positive criticisim.. ..

Homo Losers...

Wassalam

Mohammad Shahzad Ashrafi



From: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
To: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 15:33:20
Subject: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

Shame on you for bringing india pakistan issue in this. It has nothing to do with india pakistan .It will be sick to post something like that just to make fun of india. The situation, socially and morally, in Pakistan is as bad. It is just a report that I came across while youtubing. Even if it was about Pakistan or any other country, I would have posted. Pointing fingers on other nations problem, wont do any good for your country. If there is something wrong going on, atleast people shoud be aware, otherwise it will be like that forever. I have seen all the comments on this video and no one politicized it. So please think positively, we are not here to fight. Thank You :)... Peace
Regards,
Bilal Iqbal


From: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:52:25 AM
Subject: Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

indians are teaching their children to beg...but what pakistanies trying to teach thier children? terrorism? ( ask al jazzira for report)



--- On Wed, 23/9/09, Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [ F K ] Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)
To: fun_karachi@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 2:58 PM




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[ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)






From: muhammad shahzad <shahzadashrafi@yahoo.com>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@yahoo.com>; ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo.co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:01:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

here, i would like to chip in something that yes we Do Teach our children to Perform JIHAD what is more like an obligation for us and its because our Neighbour like India will keep increasing its Army budget and keep asking Israel to help them in such filthy process. Each one of our kid is a Jihadi Alhumdulilah and we will fight our enemy on each platform no matter thats education, journalism or something else.. besides its not worth talking to ppl like you who cant understand a normal, positive criticisim....

Homo Losers...
 

Wassalam

Mohammad Shahzad Ashrafi



From: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@yahoo.com>
To: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo.co.in>
Cc: fun_karachi@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 15:33:20
Subject: [ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

 

Shame on you for bringing india pakistan issue in this. It has nothing to do with india pakistan .It will be sick to post something like that just to make fun of india. The situation, socially and morally, in Pakistan is as bad. It is just a report that I came across while youtubing. Even if it was about Pakistan or any other country, I would have posted. Pointing fingers on other nations problem, wont do any good for your country. If there is something wrong going on, atleast people shoud be aware, otherwise it will be like that forever. I have seen all the comments on this video and no one politicized it. So please think positively, we are not here to fight. Thank You :)... Peace
 
 
Regards,
 
 
Bilal Iqbal
 


From: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo. co.in>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@ yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:52:25 AM
Subject: Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

indians are teaching their children to beg...but what pakistanies trying to teach thier children? terrorism? ( ask al jazzira for report)



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Wednesday 23 September 2009

[ F K ] Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)



Shame on you for bringing india pakistan issue in this. It has nothing to do with india pakistan .It will be sick to post something like that just to make fun of india. The situation, socially and morally, in Pakistan is as bad. It is just a report that I came across while youtubing. Even if it was about Pakistan or any other country, I would have posted. Pointing fingers on other nations problem, wont do any good for your country. If there is something wrong going on, atleast people shoud be aware, otherwise it will be like that forever. I have seen all the comments on this video and no one politicized it. So please think positively, we are not here to fight. Thank You :)... Peace
 
 
Regards,
 
 
Bilal Iqbal
 


From: ur PraviN <psb1777@yahoo.co.in>
To: Bilal Iqbal <bilal2cool86@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:52:25 AM
Subject: Re: Impoverished Indians teach their children to beg -21 Sept 09 (al jazeera report)

indians are teaching their children to beg...but what pakistanies trying to teach thier children? terrorism? ( ask al jazzira for report)



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[ F K ] American Double standard




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[ F K ] Faith & Patriotism Under Fire



Faith & Patriotism Under Fire
Ayub Khan | Special to Review
 

 

It is no secret that Muslims in the United States and elsewhere live under constant scrutiny and suspicion. They are often asked to prove their loyalties to the countries of their residence. It is one thing to doubt the loyalties of relative new comers. It is another to doubt, on spurious grounds, the loyalty of a person whose patriotism would make others envious. These are uncertain times, however, and no one is above suspicion. James Yee's "For God and Country" proves how deep rooted the suspicion is.

Former US Army Muslim Chaplain Captain James Yee has an impressive background and stellar credentials. A third generation Chinese-American, he graduated from West Point. He was a commissioned officer in the US Army for 14 years. He traveled to Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War as part of his military service. The tour turned out to be fateful as it sparked his interest in Islam and he soon converted. To strengthen his religious knowledge he went to Damascus, Syria and studied under traditional scholars for four years. He also married a Syrian.

In 2001 he was commissioned as one of the first Muslim chaplains in the United States Army. He was sought after as a spokesman in order to educate soldiers about Islam and Muslims. Subsequently, he was selected to serve as the Muslim Chaplain at the Guantanamo Bay where detainees from Afghanistan and elsewhere are being held as "unlawful combatants." When he first landed at Guantanamo Bay he received some valuable advice from the previous chaplain. "There are other things about this place that will be a little harder to take," said Chaplain Hamza. "I don't want to discourage you on your first night, but you need to be prepared. This is not a friendly environment for Muslims, and I don't just mean the prisoners... You need to watch your back." Yee soon found out the truth of the advice.

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most inhospitable places on earth. The weather is harsh and the working conditions tough. Yee sought to make the best of it and tried to do his job in as professional manner as possible. To his dismay, he found out that Islam was used as a weapon against the detainees. Detainees told him about the humiliations they had to suffer. One detainee complained that prisoners were forced to sit in the center of a satanic circle outlined by lit candles. They were then ordered to bow down as interrogators ordered, "Satan is your God, not Allah! Repeat after me!"

Yee says that these reports were corroborated by the translators. Female guards were used to provoke the detainees. Yee's account further corroborates the charges about desecration of the Qur'an. The guards understood the great reverence Muslims have for the Qur'an but did not respect it and instead claimed that the detainees might be hiding weapons inside the holy book. "And in plain view of the prisoners, MPs would violently shake the Qur'an, looking for something to drop out. They'd break the binding and drop the Qur'an on the floor. I never heard of an incident where a detainee hid anything dangerous in the Qur'an — doing so would be considered an insult. The detainees would become outraged when the guards touched their holy books, and this behavior led to some of the worst clashes on the blocks."

The increasing reports about insults not only against the prisoners but also against several translators made him wonder about his mission. He had come to Guantanamo to ensure that the detainees could practice their religion but now he wondered if his was merely a "political appointment, a piece of theater, meant to display the understanding and sensitivity we purportedly have toward Islam."

Despite all the troubles, Yee tried to perform his duties in as professional manner as possible and he received superior performance evaluations. On Sept. 10, 2003, however, on his way back to Washington, he was arrested in Jacksonville, Florida. He was charged with espionage, sedition and a number of other charges and prosecutors sought death penalty. He was imprisoned in the Consolidate Naval Brig in Charleston, S.C.

He was in solitary confinement for 76 days. During his detention, he drew strength from the Qur'an and the story of Prophet Joseph, "an innocent man who was unjustly accused and wrongly imprisoned." The government's case soon began to fall apart and the most serious charges were two counts of mishandling information and another of lying to an investigator. In their relentless pursuit to convict Yee, the prosecution then charged him with adultery and possession of pornography. The reports of the adultery charges and frequent media leaks drove his wife to near suicide. Eventually, all the charges were dropped and Yee was honorably discharged but he did not receive an apology.

Apart from Yee's personal narrative, the book provides a sad account of what goes on at Guantanamo Bay. "For God and Country" is the disturbing story of a true patriot, one who believed that he could be loyal to both his faith and his country. For this he was accused of being a traitor. In the end, however, it is the reputation of America as a fair and just country that suffered along with James Yee.




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Saturday 19 September 2009

[ F K ] Real face of Peoples Party PPP



 
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Thursday 10 September 2009

[ F K ] Copy & Paste (Inspirational)



Copy & Paste (Inspirational)

A popular motivational speaker was entertaining his Audience. He Said: "The best years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman who wasn't my wife!"

The audience was in silence and shock. The speaker added: "And that woman was my mother!"

Laughter and Applause!!!
A week later, a top manager trained by the Motivational speaker tried to crack this very effective joke At home. He was a bit foggy after a drink. He said loudly to His wife who was preparing dinner, "The greatest years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman who was not my Wife!"

The wife went; "ahhhh!" with shock and rage.

Standing there for 20 seconds trying to recall the second Half of the joke, the manager finally blurted out "...and I can't remember who she was!"

By the time the manager regained his consciousness, he was on a hospital bed nursing burns from boiling water.

Moral of the story...
Don't Copy if you can't PASTE

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